Dr. Sonya Jensen on Girl Unleashed and How Stress Shapes Our Hormones

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Katie: Hiya, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from WellnessMama.com and Wellnesse.com, that’s Wellnesse with an E on the tip. And this podcast is all about how stress shapes our hormones and what to do about it. I’m right here with Dr. Sonya Jensen, who’s the creator of “Girl Unleashed,” And she or he’s a naturopathic doctor with a mission to vary the way in which ladies perceive their our bodies and themselves. And she or he has the assumption that girls are the middle of their households and communities, and that by supporting ladies, we’re making a ripple impact to assist your complete neighborhood. And I wholeheartedly agree along with her on that. She’s the co-founder of Divine Parts Well being Middle, The Longevity Lab, and The Well being Ignited Academy along with her husband, Dr. Nicholas Jensen.

 

And on this episode, we go deep on hormones and the way stress, trauma, and childhood experiences can form our hormones, the explanation that extra stress and cortisol can take our progesterone and what to do about it, the primary steps of reversing that course of and balancing hormones, her query for meals in life which is: Is that this nourishing me?, easy methods to shift into parasympathetic and sign to the physique that it’s protected, her 80/20 well being, prime dietary supplements for ladies, easy methods to enhance your progesterone, and a lot extra. Actual fact-packed episode, and let’s be a part of Dr. Jensen. Dr. Sonya, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

 

Dr. Sonya: Thanks for having me. It’s so good to see you this time.

 

Katie: Good to see you too. You’re a requested repeat visitor, and I’m so excited as a result of you have got a brand new ebook that I simply obtained to take a look at, known as “Girl Unleashed,” which we’re gonna speak about immediately, and I feel there’s a lot on this that’s actually related to ladies, particularly… I imply, all the time, however particularly proper now, from the ladies I hear from, and from my very own private expertise, and I feel there’s a lot we are able to be taught from you immediately. To start out broad, I’m certain individuals have possibly, like, a passing understanding of the connection, however are you able to form of stroll us via how stress, and trauma, and childhood experiences, and even generational trauma can form our hormones and our physique and our blueprint?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. For certain. That’s an excellent query. And the story actually does start even earlier than we had been born, within the womb, relying on our mom’s well being and simply how she’s perceiving her world, and the hormones that we’re receiving from her give us info on the form of atmosphere we’re going to be born into. So that really adjustments our phenotype and the hormones that we produce, in order that we are able to truly be accepted into this new tribe that we are going to be born into. And from day one, we begin to form of observe our surroundings, we undergo these experiences that then are imprinted into our mind. So, when, it may very well be one thing so simple as, as we’re rising up, possibly we didn’t obtain the eye that we wished from our dad or mum, despite the fact that they had been doing their greatest. So, it may very well be a micro-experienced trauma, or it may very well be a giant T trauma, the place we’ve skilled one thing that has compelled our mind to take a look at its atmosphere, to get all of the cues, just like the sights, the sounds, the smells, and prepare the mind to grasp if we ever really feel this manner once more, if we ever discover these triggers ever once more, the way in which to reply is with our battle, flight, freeze, or please situation, which is our sympathetic nervous system, proper? So, it prompts that nervous system.

 

So, quick ahead, now, we may very well be in a relationship, or we may simply be doing on a regular basis life, and swiftly there’s a odor. Possibly mother was cooking one thing when our mother and father had been combating in some unspecified time in the future, and it triggers the mind to form of return to that reminiscence, and our emotional middle holds onto that reminiscence, the hippocampus, all of them form of speak to at least one one other, after which, once more, activate that sympathetic drive, which then turns off our parasympathetic and people thriving hormones, like progesterone, testosterone, and estrogen, that really assist us thrive and navigate life the way in which we’re required, and the way in which we have to for fertility and simply general well being, and if we’re always in that sympathetic drive, it’s actually arduous for the physique to do what must be completed to ensure that us to really feel wholesome.

 

Katie: Completely. I do know I’ve skilled this firsthand, and seen it in the previous couple of years in my very own life, with… Undoubtedly, I had large T trauma, and what I’m realizing now’s some smaller ones as nicely, that I form of discounted compared to the larger one, however I used to be, for a decade, doing all of the issues “proper,” and by the books, and all of the weight loss program and the dietary supplements and the train, and it wasn’t till I handled that different piece and let go of the trauma that every little thing else shifted. And what was wonderful was I had labored… I felt like I’d labored so arduous attempting to battle my physique all these years, after which once I handled this piece, all these issues obtained a lot simpler and all of the well being stuff resolved itself. And since I’ve began speaking about that, I do know… I’ve heard from so many ladies who had been like, “How did you do it? What had been the steps?” And that’s why I used to be so excited to have you ever on. However speak extra about how the hormones in that scenario are mainly inflicting havoc within the physique in all facets of life? As a result of I noticed it and I felt it, and I do know you perceive and might clarify it.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. For certain. So, once we take into consideration stress on the whole, we launch hormones like cortisol and adrenaline to navigate that have and transfer us via that have. However to ensure that us to do this, we’ve got to close down our progesterone, as a result of progesterone will get transformed into cortisol. So, what’s progesterone? So, if it’s a menstruating girl, for instance, the primary half of your cycle, after you bleed, it’s predominantly geared in the direction of utilizing estrogen, after which testosterone whenever you’re ovulating. So, throughout that first half of your cycle, you might have a bit extra vitality, you’re feeling a bit of bit extra outward certain, and wish to get issues completed, whereas the second half of your cycle, as quickly as you ovulate, progesterone is meant to shine, and progesterone could be very anti-anxiety, it’s anti-depressive, it’s the one which simply helps regulate our complete system. So if that’s getting depleted on account of this imprint in our psyche and in our nervous system, of all the time being very vigilant and all the time wanting via the lens that we could also be at risk once we’re taking a look at our surroundings, we’re always depleting that hormone.

 

So now, we’d see irregulation in our cycle, we’d see PMS signs, we’d see weight achieve due to that. So, when that’s occurring, and we’re not addressing these traumas and these tales, we may very well be doing all the proper issues, we may very well be consuming all the proper issues, we may very well be taking the dietary supplements, however that upstream issue, that was initially giving the sign, or creating this communication pathway between the mind and the remainder of your physique, that’s what must shift. That’s the factor that we have to unravel and unveil to ensure that us to create a brand new sample the place we are able to perceive that we’re not all the time at risk, that that is one thing that’s had a maintain of us, however we don’t all the time should be there. We may be within the parasympathetic, after which we are able to step into motion when we have to.

 

Katie: Yeah. That’s such an necessary piece. I noticed after I labored via it that I had in all probability been totally on sympathetic for actually years and years and years, and combating my physique, and realizing, after all, my physique just isn’t gonna heal and relaxation and digest and sleep nicely whenever you’re in that state. And, that mentioned, I do know it’s additionally very multifaceted, and that there’s loads of individuality that comes into play right here, however let’s begin broad with how do you begin to determine these elements after which carry these hormones again into stability?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. For certain. So, within the ebook, I’ve these pause moments. So, typically, we’ll know in our thoughts once we are responding to life not the way in which we truly wish to, but it surely’s coming from this response place. So, we could also be having a dialog with somebody and having this sense within our physique that simply doesn’t really feel like ourselves, and we’re reacting, and we’re irritable, and all of the actions that we’re taking, we could wanna go on this weight loss program and do rather well, however there’s all the time one thing that drives us to seize onto that meals that we all know isn’t gonna serve our physique, so, pausing and asking ourself this query of, “Who does this story truly belong to? What are my driving forces? Like, what drives me to make these selections? What’s the muse on which I’ve constructed my life on, and this lens that I’m sporting?”

 

The extra questions we start to ask, the extra curious we turn out to be of why issues are occurring the way in which they’re. So, within the ebook, I additionally lay out this questionnaire the place you get to determine in case you are the duchess, the diva, or the damsel. So, these are these three archetypes that we could have put into our life. We could have captured these roles and put these masks on with the intention to survive our moments. So, for instance, the duchess, she could also be somebody that, you realize, will get every little thing completed completely. So, she is on schedule, on level, extra of a Sort A. She could also be a CEO. She’s someone that runs her family, very organized, and simply will get the job completed. So, that’s such a present. And she or he additionally has to reside in additional of that yang, sympathetic state to ensure that her to get that completed.

 

So well being by no means actually is a precedence. So, on this state, she could not sit down and eat her meals and chew correctly, as a result of she doesn’t have time, proper? Or she is simply on the go on a regular basis, so possibly now she’s coping with IBS, and possibly irregular cycles, and all these items, their alerts are displaying up in her physique, however she will be able to’t cease and really have a look at that as a result of if she does, she’ll really feel unraveled and she or he doesn’t have time to really feel unraveled. It’s actually asking your self the query of, “The place am I in that triangle of disconnect,” that I speak about. “What are my driving forces? After which what can I do to assist myself in making an alternate resolution, in order that I can unpack what’s truly occurring right here?”

 

Katie: Yeah. I positively can resonate with facets of that, and I feel, for me, a part of it was a response to that feeling of helplessness and the trauma was to then management each variable, and run every little thing in a really regimented method. And I needed to discover ways to unpack that, and in addition to seek out gratitude for it, as a result of what I noticed was that mechanism occurred to guard me. My unconscious was doing its job. It was for, such as you mentioned, for security and survival. That’s not a nasty factor, but it surely wasn’t a factor I wanted anymore. And so, it was studying to launch that. And I additionally bear in mind in that section being concerned I used to be gonna lose my edge, as a result of that was the factor that drove me to get a lot completed. And I inform ladies now, it’s, you don’t lose your edge, you simply get to decide on whenever you use the sword. And I feel that’s the actually necessary distinction.

 

Dr. Sonya: Sure, that identification, proper? So, we really feel like we’re gonna lose that identification, and there typically may be loads of grief round that, and an unknown, and that unknown can really feel like a really scary place.

 

Katie: Completely. And it’s led to this attention-grabbing discovery. I do know you speak about a few of these issues too so far as childhood stuff, and realizing, like, I had, by all accounts, distinctive mother and father, and but there have been nonetheless ways in which I wanted to in all probability be beloved a bit of in another way than what they had been doing, and with the ability to acknowledge that and work via it with out it being a fault of theirs, there didn’t must be any guilt or blame there, however realizing, like, that was a factor I may, as an grownup, now work via and transfer to a more healthy place with. After which the generational facet as nicely, are you able to speak a bit of bit about that? I do know you’ve talked about it some.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. So, you realize, chatting with what occurs once we’re within the womb, form of begins from our mom’s story, after which, particularly as ladies, we positively carry seven generations earlier than all of the tales which have been handed down. As we all know, way of life will get handed down, tales get handed down, and actually, the facility is held within the storyteller, and sometimes, what occurs as these tales are being handed down on how we’re presupposed to behave, how we’re presupposed to look, the conditioning that we obtain from a really younger age has been occurring for generations and generations, and it actually isn’t till we turn out to be acutely aware of the truth that we’ve been residing out these circumstances, quite than from our truest essence, from who we actually know we’re on the core, we then get a possibility to unravel and heal even issues which have been handed down from earlier than. Like, many traditions will communicate to when you heal, you heal seven generations earlier than and 7 generations ahead.

 

And this has been mapped out in genetics. So, as we begin to change, we begin to change the lineage, and we begin to change the story we’ve been carrying on our backs for thus lengthy, so we don’t go it ahead. And infrequently, when you simply pause and begin to acknowledge and observe, for instance, even our mother and father, if we begin to observe them, with out emotion, and begin to perceive that they had been doing one of the best that they might with the knowledge that they had, similar with their mother and father and the mother and father earlier than, it takes away the maintain that a few of these tales could have on us, or these beliefs, and we are able to begin to actually perceive that, “I may give myself permission to launch this. It’s not my obligation to carry onto this, but when something, it’s my obligation to heal all the traumas and the tales” that, you realize, as collectively, as ladies, that we stock too, from many, many generations in the past. You already know, many generations in the past, ladies weren’t protected to even specific themselves and their energy. And so, that in itself will get embedded into our genetic story and into our DNA, so then we navigate and tiptoe all through the world from that place. So, the second we acknowledge that what actions we’re truly residing out immediately essentially aren’t ours to do, it creates extra freedom as nicely.

 

Katie: And I wanna go deeper on the possibly the stress reduction and the internal work facet, however earlier than we do, one factor I’ve observed, it looks like particularly possibly in trauma survivors or individuals who have a few of these patterns, particularly as ladies, is sort of an undereating, under-nourishing, which the factor I observed in myself, is that I used to be that form of pushed, duchess kind, and I didn’t make time… And I used to be additionally attempting to deprive myself, as a result of I used to be attempting to, like, be a sure dimension and look a sure means, and there have been loads of tales intertwined with that. And once I actually began monitoring it, I noticed I used to be drastically undereating, and I had kind of educated my physique cues to not have pure starvation anymore, and this can be a factor I’ve heard now from loads of ladies which have simply really, like, not consuming sufficient nourishing meals. Is that one thing you see as nicely?

 

Dr. Sonya: Oh, on a regular basis. And even via my very own private expertise, once I was 13, I went via anorexia. And I communicate to that within the ebook as nicely, and simply not having management of my outdoors world, meals was the way in which that… I used meals as punishment, as a result of with regards to our tradition, meals is how we join, proper? Like, feeding individuals is, like, primary precedence. Doesn’t matter who it’s, someone walks into our, you feed them. And I noticed afterwards that I used to be utilizing it virtually as a weapon in the direction of my household, as a result of I wasn’t accountable for my life, that I felt, at the moment. And whenever you begin to perceive that relationship with meals, and simply nourishment in itself, like, nourishment isn’t simply meals, it’s the conversations that we’ve got, it’s what we watch. It’s who we let into our circle of belief. It’s all of these issues.

 

So, the query that I all the time typically seed in ladies is asking your self, “Is that this going to nourish me?” as quickly as we’re making a call. So, if it’s a call… Even for fasting, for instance. I’m an intermittent sooner now, and I train on fasting, and but, I’m all the time asking myself that query, “Is that this quick going to nourish me, or is that this going to deplete me?” So, as you begin to marvel about that, and turn out to be interested in that, you begin to perceive why you’re making the choice that you’re, why you’re selecting the connection that you’re. What are you receiving from that? Are you receiving love and connection, or are you giving of your self and never in a position to say no and don’t have boundaries, since you really feel that’s the one means that you simply’re gonna really feel like you may belong, or really feel accepted? So, it simply opens up this door to marvel of your self, and extra self-discovery.

 

Katie: That’s a gorgeous query. And I’ve heard it mentioned that “boundaries are how I can love myself and another person on the similar time,” It’s a gorgeous reframe. And I’d love to speak extra now about how, like, possibly the practices we are able to incorporate into our lives that assist stability hormones, extra on the attention, and possibly meditation facet, getting extra into that parasympathetic.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. That parasympathetic drive is so, so necessary with regards to altering that communication in your hormones, as a result of as we all know, hormones are simply communicators, proper? In order that they’re gonna reply to their atmosphere. So, one lovely means of adjusting the alerts in that atmosphere may be via meditation. And meditation can look in another way for everybody. It may very well be a stroll within the woods, and that’s meditative. It may very well be placing on an excellent tune and dancing, and that’s meditative. It may very well be sitting for just some minutes, and simply being in gratitude for all times this morning, or immediately. So, it’s the second we step into that house of marvel and reverence of ourselves, and that getting actually tuned in to that coronary heart house, is once we can begin opening up that connection inside ourselves. And the second we make that call to attach, we are able to’t return, proper?

 

So, we are able to actually step into that house of being extra in our yin, which is a lady’s pure state, as a result of we do carry yang and yin inside us. Now we have a masculine female facet, and we’ve got that feminine female facet as nicely. However recognizing that usually, we step into the yang, to get issues completed, to be of significance on this planet immediately. So, to counteract that, to ensure that us to be in our softness, and in addition in our power on the similar time, issues like meditation, issues like yoga, issues that offer you pleasure, are going to activate that oxytocin. They’re gonna activate that response in your physique, that can assist you really feel settled and grounded in your self. So, no matter that appears like for you, possibly it’s artwork. Proper, it may very well be something, however any time your focus is in simply that current second and also you’re not future-projecting or residing prior to now, in despair, or anxiousness for the longer term, everytime you’re in that current second, no matter exercise you’re doing, maintain on to that, and convey that up as part of your every day behavior, and non-negotiable.

 

And my non-negotiable is my morning routine. So, typically, that’s motion, as a result of I’m in my thoughts a lot. I’m very a lot that Vata structure, with regards to ayurvedic medication, so I’m typically in my thoughts, I’m a worrier, I’m all the time pondering. So to ensure that me to really feel grounded, I’ve to step into my physique, so my meditation is motion. And so, my morning is nonnegotiable. And, you realize, working with loads of mothers, too, with younger children, and, I imply, you have got six. I solely have two, and even two is so much to deal with generally, however generally it’s behavior stacking, proper? So, possibly they’re doing one thing and I’m cooking for them, and I’m doing, like, calf raises on the similar time, simply to carry consciousness to I’m nonetheless in my physique, I’m nonetheless proper right here, proper now.

 

Katie: Yeah. I’d love to listen to every other components of your morning routine as nicely, or, possibly, 80/20 high-value issues that folks can do to include. As a result of I do know that was an element I confronted in my very own restoration, was that I had indifferent from my physique, and I needed to, like, re-learn to be in my physique and take heed to my physique.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. After I realized about how my thoughts capabilities, that actually helped assist me too. So, my thoughts appears to be like for the damaging. It appears to be like for the holes and the gaps in a situation, as a result of it’s defending me due to my big-T trauma. So my thoughts is used to taking a look at its atmosphere and understanding what’s going to go fallacious. So, for me, my morning follow, and my non-negotiable, is gratitude. So, waking up and simply being grateful for waking up. It’s so simple as that. After which as quickly as I put my ft on the bottom, being grateful that I can really feel my ft on the bottom. After which going to the lavatory, I’ve truly integrated now Mel Robbins’ excessive 5, so, giving your self a excessive 5. As a result of the second we have a look at ourselves within the mirror, we’ve got all of these items occurring in our thoughts, our to-do lists, all of the issues we’re not good at. “Oh, my goodness, I’ve luggage below my eyes,” like, all these items begin to present up. However the second you honor your self in a bit of little bit of reverence with that top 5, it adjustments what your thoughts goes to do subsequent. It adjustments the way you’re regarding your self.

 

After which I transfer into having my large cup of water with a bit of little bit of lemon, after which transfer into my follow, whether or not that’s motion with yoga, or a HIIT train. After which I’m doing a sauna, chilly showers. That’s a giant a part of my follow as nicely. Once more, something that’s gonna carry me into my physique is what I want for myself. After which, because the day goes by, too, I’ve moments that I seize. So, for me, having a cup of tea is a second for me, and it reminds my thoughts and my psyche that I’m making myself a precedence, and that I’m necessary. So it may very well be so simple as having a cup of tea, a cup of espresso by yourself, studying one thing, simply discovering these little moments all through the day can create a profound impact for the remainder of your life, actually. So it doesn’t should be this grand occasion, this enormous spa day, which, I imply, I really like. Love my spa days, however actually, you are able to do little issues each single day that begin to create enormous adjustments, and helps you turn out to be an increasing number of of the observer of you.

 

Katie: Yeah. I really like these. I’m a giant fan of gratitude follow as nicely, and in addition, yeah, large one is non-negotiable going outdoors as quickly as attainable after waking up, and getting daylight. So, typically my motion, or my studying, or no matter is outdoors. There’s a lot cool analysis on that mild hitting our eyes within the morning, and triggering these sure receptors in our eyes that actually are good for hormones and serving to with sleep in a while, and I positively discover that correlation once I don’t do it. I see that lack that. In the case of hormones, I additionally hear from loads of ladies who battle with hormone-specific issues, whether or not or not it’s PMS, or scorching flashes, or endometriosis, or PCOS. Do you have got any ideas for particular, whether or not physique or thoughts, balancing these?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. So, once I was chatting with the duchess, and the opposite two archetypes are the diva and the damsel. So I’ll give an instance of the damsel, for instance. The damsel normally appears to be like at every little thing as half empty, and she or he’s the one that may’t say no, proper? She’s volunteering, she’s doing every little thing for her household, as a result of, once more, that’s how she obtained significance and that feeling of being necessary and belonging. So typically, this girl could have thyroid points, as a result of she’s not in a position to voice her opinion and communicate her fact, and she or he could even be rising issues inside her physique like cysts, as a result of the counter polarity of not with the ability to say no is resentment, as a result of she’s not likely doing it from a spot of true service, she’s doing it from a spot of depletion. So typically, once I discover a girl has, you realize, cysts on her ovaries, and once more, in Chinese language medication, ovaries and resentment are additionally correlated… Anger is correlated to the liver.

 

Once we begin to take a look at these situations, and perceive that what’s the emotional cue that’s creating this completely different communication inside your physique, and begin resolving that, then the physiology additionally follows. So, endometriosis is a big one for thus many ladies in immediately’s world, and sometimes, the query I’ll seed for that girl is when in your life did you not really feel protected in your atmosphere or in your house? As a result of at that second, the uterine lining, that endometrium, is attempting to depart. It’s attempting to depart its house as a result of it doesn’t really feel protected there. So what can we do to carry extra security into your life, to carry extra steadiness into your life, so that you simply really feel safe in your self, and never searching for it from the surface world?

 

So, once we begin to create these correlations, these aha moments occur for ladies, they usually begin to form of unravel that story that possibly they’ve been holding on to, after which we are able to have a look at the physiology, too, and say, “Okay. Nicely, that is how your physique’s been responding, so your progesterone’s decrease, your estrogen possibly is dominant, your testosterone can be low. So how can we assist that with issues that we all know we are able to do with the herbs, and the meals, and the nourishment from that facet, but additionally, how can we unveil the story that you simply’ve been carrying for thus lengthy, and the way can we unravel that to now serve you, so that you could perceive the items from that story, and it’s not controlling you, however as a substitute, you get to make use of that story, and have power to navigate your world?”

 

Katie: That’s lovely. And I feel it’s, such as you mentioned, it’s a small, intentional follow, and that consciousness goes such a good distance. I additionally am a giant believer in that we’re a lot the product of the questions we ask, whether or not it’s internally, via our personal unconscious, or externally to others, and I feel anytime we are able to quiet for a minute and take note of that, we see the outcomes again and again and over. I additionally hear from loads of ladies who, particularly after the final two years, are very overwhelmed, and fighting motivation and vitality, and so I’d love to speak about methods we are able to begin growing vitality to even have the motivation to do these inventive issues and to do these practices which might be useful.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. That’s an excellent query, as a result of I do discover it’s a must to work in your physique first earlier than you may go into your psyche and have a look at all these feelings. As a result of in case your physique is drained, there’s no means you’re gonna be capable of deep dive into your story and what it’s good to unravel. So, some issues that you are able to do each day is intermittent fasting is a superb follow to get up these vitamins inside your physique which might be already out there to you to feed your mind. So, doing a bit of little bit of fasting, nourishing your physique with meals that’s gonna nourish your hormones. So, for instance, the primary half of your cycle, you wanna nourish your physique with extra wholesome fat. The final half of your cycle, you wanna nourish your physique with wholesome carbohydrates. So feeding your mind and your thoughts goes to make an enormous distinction on how you might be responding to life, as a result of now we’re creating extra vitality. We’re creating extra gas inside your system.

 

Understanding if there’s stuff in your atmosphere that could be making a sluggish atmosphere in your physique and lowering vitality, so, is there toxicity in your meals? Are you not consuming natural? Is there toxicity within the merchandise that you simply’re utilizing? Is there toxicity in what you’re cooking with? So, going from room to room, I discover, simplifies every little thing, so we are able to eliminate what we are able to management, after which detoxifying our internal selves, in order that we are able to make room now for that therapeutic to occur, and dealing with somebody to form of do a deeper dive is absolutely necessary, and there are such a lot of issues that you are able to do simply at house, like a castor oil pack routine, dry brushing routine, if in case you have entry to a sauna, infrared sauna. So, all the time ensuring we’re attempting to empty that bodily bucket, in order that we’ve got time and house to now go into our emotional bucket and begin emptying the tales out from there.

 

Katie: Yeah. And I really feel prefer it’s form of a self-perpetuating cycle. Once we begin doing the bodily issues, we’ve got extra motivation, then vitality, that we’re in a position to do the internal work, and in addition then, that makes us extra motivated to do the bodily issues. Whereas backwards, too, if we get in that form of overwhelmed cycle after which we’re not doing the issues, then it’s tougher to do it, and it form of goes backwards. However I feel you’re proper. Like, the newborn steps make the massive distinction, and it’s what can we begin sustainably, that isn’t going so as to add to the overwhelm, and that’s gonna slowly improve our bandwidth to have the ability to add in additional, it looks like.

 

Dr. Sonya: As a result of it’s very easy to enter this mindset of, like, “I’m failing.” Proper? Once we attempt to go on this different observe, the place we’re doing all the proper issues and actually placing a lot on our plate, as a result of we actually wanna deal with what’s occurring, but when we simply do these small steps and have these small victories. So I encourage ladies to make success lists. Like, even writing down issues you realize you’re gonna get completed that day. I’m gonna bathe. So I’m writing that down on my record. I’m gonna brush my tooth. I’m writing that down on my record. It’s simply that act of checking that off, and that reassurance within the thoughts and the mind that sure, I can get issues completed. And that additionally doesn’t outline me, that, all of what’s occurring is a journey. So the extra we give attention to what we are able to do and we are able to have management over, we’re in a position to let go of what we are able to’t management.

 

Katie: Yeah. That’s an excellent reframe. And I, for a very long time, managed every little thing on my cellphone, simply because expertise is such part of our life now. And I’ve not too long ago switched again to a planner, not for calendar stuff, however for my every day job record, and for gratitude, simply because there’s, such as you mentioned, one thing that’s actually useful about that tangible crossing one thing off a listing, and in addition, to me, writing out what I’m grateful for, it simply helps cement it, and helps me, like, actually internalize it much more. And it looks like for ladies particularly, like, journaling, and even simply drawing, one thing like that, is a really useful follow to, like, you mentioned get the internal, and begin processing it, and assist it get out.

 

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I additionally hear from loads of ladies who appear to have pores and skin points, and it looks like this will positively be hormone-related as nicely. Do you have got any particular ideas for skin-related points?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. So, with regards to the pores and skin, it truly is your liver that’s talking, proper? So, typically, ladies may have cystic zits earlier than their interval, and that’s typically on account of estrogen dominance, and since the liver possibly is congested. So, like I used to be chatting with the castor oil packs. You are able to do castor oil packs. You wanna detoxify, and also you wanna ensure that your intestine is transferring. So, wholesome bowel actions daily. In order that may very well be merely including one thing like Triphala to your nighttime routine. That’s a powder that has three ayurvedic herbs in there, you could put in heat water after your final meal. So, that may actually serve you. Having some ghee and, like, golden milk earlier than mattress, that’s additionally gonna serve your intestine, and the butyrate in your intestine. Ensuring you’re having issues like floor flaxseed, chia, hemp, like, fibers. Prebiotics are additionally gonna assist that as nicely, as a result of, once more, you’re simply amplifying that wholesome micro organism in your intestine, in order that the estrobolome, which is a bunch of micro organism in your intestine, have the capability to work with the liver to detoxify these extra estrogens from the atmosphere and out of your physique.

 

So the extra you do this, the much less your bucket fills up daily, and has to make use of your pores and skin to secrete these toxins out of the physique. As a result of when you see your self as a bucket, as, you realize, the physique, and we fill it up daily with completely different toxicities, we’ve got these emunctories and pathways of elimination that assist assist lowering that load. So, that’s your intestine, your lymphatics, your kidneys, your mucous membranes. But when any of these are clogged up, your pores and skin being the biggest organ, it’s simply straightforward to push issues out of the pores and skin. So with the intention to assist the pores and skin, it’s a must to assist your lymph, your intestine, your kidney, so simply ensuring issues are flowing and transferring each single day.

 

Katie: And for people who find themselves simply beginning… I do know we’ve touched on in all probability a number of of them, however what can be a few of possibly, like, the 80/20, you realize, 20% of issues that give the largest bang on your buck in case you are overwhelmed and also you solely can do child steps, the place can be a few of the greatest beginning factors?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. So, waking up and having that lemon water motion is gonna improve your lymphatic movement. Dry brushing, if you will get a dry brush and simply use that, and giving your self a therapeutic massage with some sesame oil, that’s gonna be supportive. Your first meal, if it’s a smoothie, you may put in these fibers, and that in itself will begin simply motion to occur. And in your nighttime routine, you may put in simply that teaspoon of Triphala, and possibly a castor oil pack, so a bit of little bit of castor oil over your stomach, and a scorching water bottle and a towel. It may very well be so simple as that. And that may very well be your every day routine, simply to form of get issues transferring.

 

Katie: After which, I’d love to the touch on sleep as nicely, as a result of it looks like every time there are hormone points, typically, sleep points go proper alongside with it. After which, we all know from the analysis, sleep is among the most core, foundational issues for all facets of well being, and in over 500 episodes of this podcast I’ve by no means had anybody say high quality sleep just isn’t necessary. It appears to be, like, one of many issues each skilled can agree on, and it appears, clearly, a fall-down level for lots of girls, and mothers particularly, for heaps and many causes. Any ideas for enhancing sleep?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. Sleep is so necessary with regards to our hormones and our circadian rhythm. And simply going again to that progesterone piece, progesterone, GABA, and melatonin are greatest associates. So, when melatonin is low due to our excessive cortisol, it’s going to have an effect on progesterone. When progesterone is low, it might probably’t activate the receptors within the mind to obtain GABA. So then GABA is gonna be low, which creates extra of that wired drained feeling within the night, and doesn’t actually permit the physique to settle down earlier than mattress so we are able to have a restful sleep. So, sleep is so necessary. So, having a sleep routine is absolutely necessary, and actually, going to mattress earlier than 11:00 p.m. So, that’s additionally key, since you don’t wanna carry up your cortisol after 11:00 p.m., as a result of your physique thinks you’re awake. In order that’s gonna mess up your circadian rhythm.

 

So, earlier than 11:00 p.m., you wanna be going to mattress, and also you desire a routine that really, you realize, removes the blue mild. So possibly having crimson mild blockers on when you’re watching one thing, however actually, placing away expertise as shortly as you may after dinner, studying one thing, having that gratitude follow, one thing, once more, to form of carry your out of your thoughts and into your physique, so you may launch the day, and transfer into that dream state and extra of a peaceful and relaxed method.

 

And, sure, so it’s gonna be issues that folks can use, like melatonin and CBD, and lots of herbs, that may be actually useful. However what you actually wanna perceive is, first, what are the issues that I’m doing, ranging from the purpose once I get up to the night, as a result of as quickly as we get up, we’re preparing for sleep. So, all of the habits, all of the issues that we’re consuming, ensuring that we’re maintaining a healthy diet fats in our final meal, in order that our glucose isn’t driving up, and in addition growing that cortisol, not permitting melatonin to do its job. So these are some issues you could simply form of observe about your self, and have virtually, like, a sleep journal, to grasp, “Okay. What are some issues I can incorporate into my life that may improve that high quality sleep?” And, you realize, many individuals have Oura Ring. My husband’s obsessed together with his Oura Ring, and you may simply have a look at your knowledge and perceive, “Okay. After I eat this dinner, that is affecting my coronary heart fee variability. It’s affecting my parasympathetic nervous system.” And all that knowledge is gonna present you what you may or can’t do within the night that’s gonna assist deep sleep for you.

 

Katie: Yeah. I’m additionally a giant fan of my Oura Ring, and in addition, the Chilipad has been a game-changer for me for sleep. However the Oura Ring, particularly, you’re proper. You begin to see the patterns, and it’s studying issues like irrespective of how a lot I might imagine I prefer to drink wine at evening, my deep sleep doesn’t fall once I drink wine at evening. And I’ve realized some useful issues, and if I eat sufficient protein throughout the day, my deep sleep loves that, and it’s helped me be taught myself in that means. You’ve additionally talked about progesterone a number of occasions, and the way necessary it’s. Is that one thing you’ll suggest supplementing with, or if not, what are the methods to assist kind of naturally increase that with out utilizing some form of exterior complement?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. So, I typically use bioidentical hormones with ladies if it’s wanted. So getting examined is absolutely necessary, doing all of your DUTCH take a look at to acknowledge the place your progesterone is at, as a result of typically, low progesterone also can appear like regular progesterone however low estrogen. So, simply these nuances, to grasp them, getting examined is necessary when you’re gonna go down the route of utilizing progesterone. Different herbs that may actually assist your progesterone are herbs which might be gonna act extra like adaptogens, so will assist assist that decreasing of your cortisol. So, ashwagandha is a gorgeous one which you need to use. Chaste tree is a gorgeous herb that’s gonna improve LH but additionally improve progesterone in your physique. So, these are just a few issues you could make the most of. However with regards to meals, wholesome carbohydrates like yams, and beans, and lentils, and these sorts of issues are gonna assist your progesterone as nicely, together with these every day practices that we spoke about, the meditation, the gratitude, and simply actually engaged on that vagal tone and that parasympathetic state is gonna feed into your progesterone, as a result of it’s gonna reinforce on your physique and your thoughts that you simply’re not at risk. So, the extra we work on that, the extra assist your progesterone will really feel.

 

Katie: Yeah. And it’s one other a kind of optimistic suggestions loops, the place as you get higher sleep and as you nourish your physique, then these items enhance they usually proceed to wish to enhance. Additionally, realizing, after all, there’s a lot bio-individuality with this query, I’m curious if there are any dietary supplements that you simply discover, on common, very useful for ladies, clearly with the caveat work with somebody who is aware of what they’re doing. However any that you simply see form of recurring which might be useful for ladies, particularly?

 

Dr. Sonya: My favorites are chaste tree, magnesium. DIM and I3C are actually nice as a result of they’re gonna assist assist that liver detox, which can then assist your progesterone to rise, after which ashwagandha is my favourite adaptogen, together with rhodiola, is one other favourite of mine, that may actually be supportive, only for that nervous system. After which, once more, understanding your neurotransmitters, so GABA may be actually supportive for ladies as nicely in that final half of her cycle. GABA and a bit of little bit of melatonin, to simply assist that progesterone drive.

 

Katie: And naturally, as ladies, we’ve got rather more fluctuating hormones than males, which I feel is definitely…generally is a enormous benefit, as a result of we get these pure adjustments all through the month. Are there any issues to concentrate on associated to our cycle, so far as possibly other ways to work out or nourish our our bodies in another way in several components of the month?

 

Dr. Sonya: Sure. I really like this query. So, I typically communicate to the seasons of a lady’s life, the seasons of our surroundings, after which the seasons of her cycle. So, you realize, there’s 4 completely different phases within the cycle. There’s whenever you’re bleeding. So, what do you wanna do whenever you’re bleed? As a result of that’s such a time of detoxing, it truly is a time of reflection. So, you may be journaling then, you may be detoxifying feelings, and actually form of uncovering a few of the issues that possibly you had been holding on to for the previous month. So, right here, you in all probability gained’t be that hungry, so having extra, like, soups and stews, and simply actually nourishing meals, the extra coloured meals, like purple and, like, deep and wealthy colours, since you wanna feed that iron in your physique, as nicely, and simply form of replenish that.

 

After which as you step out of that section and also you go into your follicular section, that is the place estrogen is gonna begin to rise. So, how will we feed our estrogen? So, wholesome fat like avocado are gonna assist that. Right here can be the place you might in all probability do extra HIIT train. There’s extra motion. You would be a bit of bit extra aggressive along with your routine, as a result of you have got the capability and the vitality to do this. Quickly as we step into ovulation, testosterone begins to rise. So, fasting is a bit of bit simpler earlier than that. Not a lot throughout ovulation, but additionally recognizing that that is that one time in our cycle the place testosterone will go up. So, typically, libido can be a bit of bit larger.

 

Then as we step into our luteal section, and progesterone wants nourishment, this can be a time the place your physique desires you to be extra inside, so slowing down. Possibly now you focus extra on yoga, or going for a stroll outdoors, consuming these wholesome carbohydrates, journaling a bit of bit extra, actually reflecting on life itself, and, like, what’s working for you, what’s not. Saying no extra to outdoors issues, and dealing on it from that perspective, and in addition understanding that your libido right here will go down. You already know, typically, there’s this false impression that I ought to really feel the identical all through your complete month, however as a result of our hormones ebb and movement like that, it’s necessary to grasp that your libido could also be excessive at one level each cycle, however then it begins to go down, particularly when you’re not on the capsule, proper, you’re gonna actually acknowledge these ups and downs, and sometimes, this can be a problem in a relationship. However when you perceive your cycle, you may then talk this along with your companion, so additionally they perceive that this can be a time the place, you realize, I’m gonna be a bit of bit extra inside and focus extra on me, in order that I can step into the subsequent section of bleeding with extra management, and simply with extra steadiness.

 

Katie: Yeah. And I feel libido is a crucial level, particularly for ladies as nicely. I do know I hear from individuals about this very often, and particularly libido seeming to go down with age considerably, however I ponder if this additionally is absolutely, like, tied in with a few of these hormone adjustments, and if that’s the case, what can ladies do to assist libido, clearly, realizing it’s nonetheless gonna ebb and movement all through the month. However are there issues that on the whole may help with that?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. For certain. So, even understanding that’s…starting age 25, our testosterone begins to drop. And with each baby, we lose about 15% of our testosterone shops. And what are the issues which might be gonna have an effect on testosterone? Insulin goes to have an effect on it. So if there’s any kind of insulin resistance in your physique, so, once more, when you’re consuming processed meals, or larger carbohydrates, snacking so much, these items are gonna improve your insulin. So the way in which to carry your insulin down is by incorporating that fasting routine that works for you, and in addition growing your wholesome fat, decreasing these grains, which can then assist your testosterone. Understanding very first thing within the morning, earlier than 8:00 a.m., on an empty abdomen, additionally will increase your testosterone and development hormone. In order that’s one thing you may incorporate additionally, to extend it naturally. After which, doing issues like maca is gonna assist it as nicely. So you may actually assist to simply assist that testosterone drive inside you thru a few of these habits, in order that whenever you go into your cycle, you begin to actually perceive that that is truly true lack of testosterone, or is it simply part of my cycle at the moment?

 

As a result of once we undergo perimenopause and menopause, you realize, it’s form of nature’s contraception. Testosterone does naturally go down, however you may form of construct your self up with a few of these habits and resistance coaching and these items, to simply assist your system, in order that, you realize, it helps assist the connection, but additionally inviting issues in your life that offer you pleasure. I discover the extra oxytocin that will get constructed up within the girl’s physique, the better it’s for her to step into having extra libido, as a result of now she will be able to form of make the acutely aware effort. She will be able to form of carry that motivation up, as a result of she’s been filling her cup up. If you happen to’re transferring into that section already depleted, that’s what creates extra of that loss in libido.

 

Katie: That is sensible. And as we get near the tip of our time, a number of different questions I like to ask are if there’s a ebook or a variety of books which have had a profound affect in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.

 

Dr. Sofia: Yeah. Yeah. So, Dr. Edith Eger, she wrote the ebook “The Selection,” and that one’s had a very profound impact on me as I went via my journey, and simply realizing how a lot of a selection we actually have in our thoughts, and the actual jail, and the actual problem is absolutely in right here, not a lot within the outdoors world. So, we alter this, we alter our story, and we actually start to vary our lives. In order that one, I’ve to say, fingers down, has been enormous for me, and it’s one which I confer with on a regular basis.

 

Katie: I’ll ensure that’s linked within the present word as nicely, for you guys listening, wellnessmama.fm. And the place can individuals discover you, discover your ebook, and continue learning extra?

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. Thanks. So, on Instagram, my deal with’s @drsonyajensen, and in addition my web site, drsonyajensen.com. And you will get the ebook wherever on this planet on Amazon, within the U.S., Barnes & Nobles, and in Canada on Indigo or Amazon.

 

Katie: And any parting recommendation for our listeners immediately? It may very well be associated to what we’ve talked about, or one thing solely unrelated.

 

Dr. Sonya: Yeah. Simply give your self a possibility to fall again in love with your self, as a result of there was a second in time in your life, whenever you faucet into that little woman, that little baby, the place she thought she was the bomb, and one thing occurred alongside the way in which that took that drive away, that took that have away, and you may shift that, as a result of as quickly as you do, you don’t even know the way a lot energy you have got inbuilt you, that you simply’re gonna be capable of specific into the world.

 

Katie: That’s lovely. I feel it’s an ideal place to wrap up for immediately. Thanks a lot on your time and being right here, and for all the work that you simply do.

 

Dr. Sonya: Thanks. Thanks for every little thing that you simply do.

 

Katie: And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most useful sources, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us immediately. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

 

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